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辟谷须谨慎

近几年来，气功界对于辟谷颇为关注。究其原因，不外乎二：一曰治病、二曰好奇。
辟谷是一种古老的治疗、锻炼方法。早在2000多年以前，在马王堆出土的资料中就有有关辟谷的记载。
在苏联卫国战争期间，农村中有不少奶牛因缺少饲料，饿得骨瘦如柴，当然也早已不产奶了。卫国战争胜利后，这些奶牛又得到了较好的饲养，奇怪的是它们不但重新长得体格健壮，并且居然又重新产起奶来。
前苏联的一位生理学家注意到了这一现象，并开始了研究。他找了几十只已经不再产蛋的老母鸡做试验，将它们禁食一段时间，禁食期间只喂一些某种植物熬的汤，用以抗应激反应。以后，又重新正常喂养它们。这些老母鸡竟然换了一身羽毛，叫出小鸡的声音来，并且又重新开始产蛋了。
在此以后，他又把实验扩大到几百只鸡，结果还是一样。此后，他就开始在自己身上作试验，结果使自己多年的胃病不药而愈。
营养不良对健康是有害的，这是人所共知的道理。可是，大量经验告诉我们，短时期禁食却对健康有利。为什么辟谷会有利于健康呢?
在太平洋里的一个小岛上生活着一些土著居民，他们摄入的热量低于消耗的热量。英国科学家对这一奇怪的现象进行了研究。最后发现，这些土著居民的肠子里有一种特殊的细菌，可以固氮并合成氨基酸。这种热量不平衡的怪现象终于得到了解释。
我国的气功科研工作者对辟谷者的生理指标进行过研究，发现在辟谷期间辟谷者的尿中有不少脂肪代谢的产物。就是说，辟谷者生存的能量来自于体内的脂肪。
正常情况下，人的能量来源主要有三种：葡萄糖、脂肪和蛋白质。我国人民的食物结构以食用淀粉类食物为主，所以，能量代谢以糖代谢为主导。然而，单位脂肪和蛋白质所提供的热量比糖类要高得多。
在辟谷期间，停止了对食物的摄入，迫使能量代谢转向脂肪代谢，靠消耗体内积累的脂肪来维持生命。恢复进食后，能量代谢再次转向糖代谢。也就是说，在整个辟谷过程中，体内的调节系统的状态经历了两次大转换。会不会是这种转换起到了治病和健身的作用呢?
我们知道，人体内部是由许许多多调节系统相互作用构成的复杂系统。整个人体系统的状态不断地来回变化，实现一种动态的稳定，这是健康人的情况。病人，特别是功能性疾病的患者，就是其系统状态偏离了正常的稳定态。有了病要吃药，药物的作用就是将人体系统的状态调回到正常的稳定态。
能量代谢在人体调节系统中是十分重要的环节，能量代谢形式的大转换无疑会影响到整个人体系统的平衡状态。因此，通过辟谷，锻炼了系统的调节能力，并使其恢复正常。这样的作用，从系统分析角度看是可以理解的。
然而，事物总有两方面。对于体内外条件的大改变，人体有一种本能的应激反应，这种应激反应的目的是实现自我保护。比如，人在碰到危险时会脸色发白、毛发竖起。其作用是将大量血液分配到四肢等运动部位，以便随时作出剧烈的反应。强烈的应激反应有时会造成
一些不良的后果，比如内分泌紊乱、植物性神经功能紊乱等等。我们注意到，那位前苏联生理学家在进行禁食试验时，给禁食对象服用一种抗应激反应的植物制剂。在马王堆出土的资料中有关辟谷内容里也提到要服用一种草药的汤剂。两者恐怕不是偶然的巧合吧。
上述的解释可以用来理解一般的辟谷过程，但什么事情一到气功上就要复杂得多。我们看到另有一类辟谷现象不是可以用现有的概念解释的。有少数的练功者，在接触或练了某种气功后，自然出现长期的辟谷现象，几个月、几年，甚至更长时间。在古代的气功文献中虽有过对于这种现象的描述，但很不具体。而且还说到，这种现象只有通过长期练功达到很高成就时才会出现。
现在我们看到了这种现象，而他们没有经过长期练功，甚至对气功所知甚少。
有人试过这样的辟谷者的脉象，其脉强而有力，而且松紧不断变化，很象是电子学上由外触发信号强迫同步的效果。这种现象提示我们，这类辟谷不是古代文献上所说的自然辟谷现象，似乎是在某种目前还不清楚的“外力”作用下形成的。
如果真是这样，对于这类辟谷者来说是很危险的。因为一旦环境改变，“外力”消失，他还得进食以维持生命。可是，到那时，由于长期不进食。消化系统早已萎缩、功能消退，丧失了恢复进食的能力，只有死路一条。
这绝不是危言耸听。记得在报纸上曾看到这样一则报导：上海有一位十七岁的少女，为了想减肥而自己禁食，一些天后出现了厌食症，最后终于因抢救无效而死亡。
总之，对于多种多样的辟谷现象的机制，现在远未搞清。进行辟谷锻炼，务须谨慎。我们提倡奉献，但不赞成盲目的以自己的生命为代价去做无谓的冒险。

（王永怀 文）

Wrong, you are misleading ...
Can you explain in details:
What is "Bigu" ?
What are the "Bigu phenonema" ?

You seems to be talking about everything that is not "Bigu".....
Unfortunately, you don't have one word correctly describes "Bigu".

"Bigu" and "not eating" are not the same. There are a lot of differences.

You are only talking about people wrongly "starve" themselves, not eating correctly, or something else.!!
e.g. The example about the 17 year old girl " starved" herself to death, she was "not" doing Bigu.

The title of this article is very misleading......because you are not talking about "Bigu" at all.......
It is "unfair" for you to give out false information about "Bigu".
If fact, you are scaring people by giving out wrong information.
It is like "A blind person trying to guide the blinds..."

How long have you done Bigu ?
Or, how long have you starved yourself ?
If you have no experience, please don't say anything.
Bigu is a serious practice, only people who have done Bigu knows....
You are doing serious harm by guessing, assuming..... wrongly about Bigu. And objectively interferring people with a serious practice...... and creating misunderstanding !

I would suggest, if you don't know what is "Bigu", don't use the term "Bigu"....
Just say,
"Some people did not eat correctly....and lead to this and that results....."
(This is what your article is talking about.....)

Please don't talk about a topic you don't know at all !
Sigh ..........





















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You seems to be talking about everything that is not "Bigu".....
Unfortunately, you don't have one word correctly describes "Bigu".

"Bigu" and "not eating" are not the same. There are a lot of differences.

看起来，除了“闭谷”外的每件事你都谈到了，
很不幸，这里面一个正确描述“闭谷”的字都没有。

“闭谷”和“不吃东西”不是一码事。他们有很多区别。

You are only talking about people wrongly "starve" themselves, not eating correctly, or something else.!!
e.g. The example about the 17 year old girl " starved" herself to death, she was "not" doing Bigu.

The title of this article is very misleading......because you are not talking about "Bigu" at all.......
It is "unfair" for you to give out false information about "Bigu".
If fact, you are scaring people by giving out wrong information.
It is like "A blind person trying to guide the blinds..."

你只是谈了错误“禁食”本身，非正确饮食，或别的什么！
举个例子，有个17岁的女孩自己“禁食”导致死亡，她可不是在“闭谷”。

这篇文章的题目很容易给人以误导，，，，因为你并没有谈到“闭谷”呀，，，
你对“闭谷”给出这样的错误的信息是“不公平的”呀，
事实上， 你本身也很紧张人们被错误的信息所误导。
这就好象“盲人要试着给盲人领路。。。”

How long have you done Bigu ?
Or, how long have you starved yourself ?
If you have no experience, put don't say anything.
Bigu is a serious practice, only people who have done Bigu knows....
You are doing serious harm by guessing, assuming..... wrongly about Bigu And objectively interferring people with a serious practice...... and creating misunderstanding !

I would suggest, if you don't know what is "Bigu", don't use the term "Bigu"....
Just say,
"Some people did not eat correctly....and lead to this and that results....."
(This is what your article is talking about.....)

Please don't talk about a topic you don't know at all !
Sigh ..........
你这样闭谷有多久了？
或者说你这样禁食有多久了？
如果你没有过这样的经历，就什么也别说了。
闭谷是很严肃的修炼， 只有真正有过闭谷经历的人才知道，，，
仅靠猜测，假想有害无益，，，不光是对闭谷，客观上，也干扰人们正常严肃的修炼，，，给人一误导。

我建议，如果你不了解什么是“闭谷”，就不要用“闭谷”这个字眼了，，，，
就说， “一些人不正确的进食，，，会导致这个，引起那个，，，”
（这才是你文章所要谈的，，，，）

请不要说一个你还不了解的课题！！





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Be careful, I am not giving out any "1" explanation about Bigu at all ! Read carefully please !

I am saying, what he is talking about is not "Bigu" at all.
If he is not a practitioner, if he is just posting other people's article without understanding the topic, this is dangerous, it is exactly what is called,
"The blind trying to guide the blind ?"

It is like the blind man trying to understand how the birds fly in the sky, by unfortunately (not intentionally) touching a chicken on the ground.
(because he does not know)

And say,
"Don't try to fly, many (chicken) tried flying and fell down and died !!!
they use their wings, and follow all the flying instructions !! Some do not practice at all just used a parachute........but, end up loosing their abilities with the wings !!.....
Flying is dangerous."

Then you come up with one more "funny question":
"But, Mr. 7....there are more than one way of flying".......... ???

I understand and respect both of you. Because you have very good intention trying to help people.
But, it is not helpful if you don't know the topic !

What I am saying is:
When the chicken lift up the wings, tried to jump up and fell down to death -- you DO NOT call it "FLYING"......
It is unfair for the birds (and people who want to know......)
You scare people about "flying".........
and created problems .....without correctly explaining "flying".

My concern here is, this article talks everything that is not "Bigu"......and
NO CORRECT EXPLANATION ABOUT BIGU is given.....
Are you a Bigu practitioner ?
If you are, you probably would be very careful about this topic.
You definitely know this article is "not" talking about "Bigu"....
It is about "not eating" (don't call it Bigu), "starving yourself", "illness of not wanting to eat", "eating incorrectly"....etc. (sure, like what you say there is more than 1 method....)
You have confused Bigu with something else.......

Of course, you can talk about Bigu at different levels, different methods, different phenonema ......etc.
Bigu practitioners exchange experiences among themselves......and know there are "many ways" that you can practice and talk about Bigu.....
But, this is not my point. I am not going to talk about it because...

Bigu is a serious topic, it is like any serious advance practice:

1. It is not appropriate to talk about it here.
It is a serious matter between the practitioners and their teachers.

2. It is not good to talk about it too early before people are ready.
A lot of times, talking about something before people are ready would interfere with their advancement in the future.

3. Many Bigu phenonema cannot be understood with common sense. Therefore Bigu practitioners exchange experiences among themselves.
They don't talk about it openly.

4. Bigu and "not eating" are totally different !!
Don't confuse the two things.

5. If you used the term Bigu for something else, such as "not eating", "make yourself hungry", "starve yourself", "eating incorrectly "....... etc. (I have seen these)
It is very dangerous.
The problems regarding the people described in the articles are not Bigu practitioners, they are people "make themselves hungry", "not eating", "starve yourself", eating incorrectly....therefore, created problems for themselves. These are not Bigu situations.

Even with good intention, but if you don't know the topic you are talking about:

You are hurting "real" Bigu practitioners !!!!
And harming the future practitioners !!!!
And ruining a serious advance practice !
And mislead people who want to know !
This is the danger..............!!!
No matter how good your intention !





















































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Be careful, I am not giving out any "1" explanation about Bigu at all ! Read carefully please !

I am saying, what he is talking about is not "Bigu" at all.
If he is not a practitioner, if he is just posting other people's article without understanding the topic, this is dangerous, it is exactly what is called,
"The blind trying to guide the blind ?"

注意呀，我并没有对闭谷给出任何一种解释！请仔细看一下！
我是说，他所说的并不是“闭谷”。
如果他并不是修炼者，如果他只是转载别人的文章，而并不是很深刻的理解这个问题，这就很危险了，这绝对是，“盲人指路？”

It is like the blind man trying to understand how the birds fly in the sky, by unfortunately (not intentionally) touching a chicken on the ground.
(because he does not know)

And say,
"Don't try to fly, many (chicken) tried flying and fell down and died !!!
they use their wings, and follow all the flying instructions !! Some do not practice at all just used a parachute........but, end up loosing their abilities with the wings !!.....
Flying is dangerous."

这就好象是一个盲人想知道鸟儿为什么在天上飞，但却很不幸的抓到一只地上跑的鸡，（因为他不知道。

并说道， “别再试着飞了，许多（小鸡）都尝试过飞，却摔下来，死了！！！
他们用他们的翅膀，按照飞翔要求去飞！！
有一些根本不去练习而是用着降落伞，，，，但是，翅膀功能退化，没用了！！，，，
飞翔很危险。”

Then you come up with one more "funny question":
"But, Mr. 7....there are more than one way of flying".......... ???

I understand and respect both of you. Because you have very good intention trying to help people.
But, it is not that helpful if you don't know the topic you are talking about.

然后，他们又有了一个更“有趣的问题”：
“但是，77先生，不是只有一种方法可以飞？？？

我很理解并尊重你们，因为你们有良好的主观愿望，想要帮助别人。
但是，如果你们对不是很懂的问题谈太多的话，这并不会有太多帮助的。

What I am saying is:
When the chicken lift up the wings, tried to jump up and fell down to death -- you DO NOT call it "FLYING"......
It is unfair for the birds (and people who want to know......)
You scare people about "flying".........
and created problems .....without correctly explaining "flying".

我要说的是：
当小鸡扇动自己的翅膀，努力向上跳，却掉下来摔死了，，，
你不可以把这个叫“飞翔”
这对鸟儿（和那些想知道什么是飞的人）不公平。
你关于“飞”的理论吓到了人们，，，
同时也制造了问题，，，没有正确解释“飞”

My concern here is, this article talks everything that is not "Bigu"......it is all
about something else that is not "Bigu".....
Are you a Bigu practitioner ?
If you are, you probably would be very careful about this topic.
You definitely know this article is "not" talking about "Bigu"....
It is about "not eating" (don't call it Bigu), eating incorrectly....etc.

这里，我所关心的是，文章中所提到的是“闭谷”以外的任何事，，，都是和“闭谷”不相关的一些事。。。
你是“闭谷”修炼者吗？
如果是的话，你可能就会很关心这个题目了。
你会很明确的知道，文章所谈的并不是“闭谷”，，，
那是关于“禁食（别叫它“闭谷”），错误饮食的文章。

Of course, you can talk about Bigu at different levels, different methods, different phenonema ......etc.
Bigu practitioners exchange experiences among themselves......and know there are "many ways" that you can practice and talk about Bigu.....
But, this is not my point. I am not going to talk about it because...

Bigu is a serious topic (I don't want to see "misleading information here")Bigu is like any serious advance practice:

1. It is not appropriate to talk about it here.
It is a serious matter between the practitioners and their teachers.

2. It is not good to talk about it too early before people are early.
A lot of times, talking about something before people are ready would interfere with their advancement in the future.

3. Many Bigu phenonema cannot be understood with common sense. Therefore Bigu practitioners exchange experiences among themselves.
They don't talk about it openly.

4. Bigu and "not eating" are totally different !!
I don't want to see confusion.

5. If you used the term Bigu for something else, such as "not eating", "eating incorrectly " etc. It is very dangerous.
The problems described in the articles are not Bigu practitioners, they are just people "not eating"....and created problems for themselves.

当然，你们可以从不同程度上，不同方式，不同现象上谈论“闭谷”。
闭谷修炼者之间互相交换体会，，，了解不同的修行的途径，讨论闭谷。。。。
但是，这不是我要指出的，我并不想谈论它，因为，，，，，

闭谷是很严肃的问题，（我不想看到这里有误导信息），闭谷是一种很严肃的高层次修炼。

1，不适合在这里讨论。
这是修炼者和他老师之间很严肃的问题。
2，在人们还是初期阶段过早谈论它，也不是很好的。
很多时候，在人们还没准备好的时候谈论一些问题，会防碍人们的正常进步。
3，普通人很难理解许多闭谷现象，因此，闭谷修行者之间会交换体会，他们不会公开的谈论它的。
4，闭谷和禁食是完全不同的。我不想看到他们被混淆。
5，如果你把闭谷这个术语用在别的上，好似“禁食”，“错误饮食”，这很危险。
文章中所描述的并不是“闭谷”修行者，只是一些“禁食”的人在自己制造麻烦。

The article on top is "not talking about Bigu".....it talks about other things
such as "not eating"...eating wrongly.
If people mixed up the two things, and confused people..................and insisted.........it is sad !!!
Sigh !!!!

Even with good intention, but without correct understanding:
You are hurting "real" Bigu practitioners !!!!
And harming the future practitioners !!!!
And ruining a serious advance practice !
上面的文章“并没有讨论闭谷”，，，，而是在讨论别的事，好似“禁食”，“错误饮食”。
如果人们把这两件事混在一起，并觉得困惑，，，，，然后坚持，，，，，这可惨了！11
悲哀！！！

即使主观意愿良好，但却不能正确理解：
这是在伤害真正的闭谷修炼者！！！
也是对那些准修炼者的伤害！！！
是玷污真正的高层次的修炼者。




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提供各个方面/角度的资料是有必要的,不要报喜不报忧.尤其现在,资料/老师难以寻找,提供资料给大家,提高分析/鉴别能力是很必要的,洗炼时也会得心应手.我们大多数人没有名师指点,没有秘传功法,只靠自己努力.请不要立刻下结论:我们这不是那不是,我们没有机缘得到某某名师真传,不是那派几代传人,并不了解所有的修炼步骤/方法.只有自己帮自己.
请问,有传承的各位:你们能把自己所学全盘披露吗?
我没有资格指导各位,只是提供资料,希望大家学有所得.
有名师指点的各位,我这篇帖子对你们来说,是多余的.

Very careful !
We welcome bad and good discussion on any topic.
But, here .........
It is not an issue of negative or positive articles.
It is about an article having a "wrong topic"
You use the topic :
"Bigu" for an article that "is not" talking about Bigu.
Do you understand ?

"Bigu" is a very serious advance practice.
It is for advance practitioners and people who have teachers only.

If you are not an advance practitioner, if you don't have a teacher:
Please, don't do it, don't guess it......it is dangerous and misleading................there are things that you cannot understand before you are ready.

This is not approriate to talk here !!
It is beyond ordinary understanding.
That is the reason why teachers don't give out information too early.
Giving out information (that cannot be understood by beginners) too early is not helpful (and always harmful ) to the advancement of the student.

Why do you insist on guiding people on an "advance practice" that you "don't know" ?
You are not helping,
You are harming !!!!
You are so careless !!!

There is a Chinese saying,
"No diseaster is bigger than the diseaster of wanting to be a teacher."
(ren zhi da huan zai hao wei ren shi)
Sigh...sigh...sigh....


















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