请教各位同道.道家没有舍利,这能否说佛家的成就整体上要高一点呢? [复制链接]

据说：虹化属尸解；阳神属霓虹光身要高一层，肉身飞升境界就更高了。

不知各位高人如何看？

I have not seen people "fly"...........
But, I know people with no physical "weight"...........
When they stand on a scale (the instrument that measure weight -- any one, not a broken scale)........the indication of the weight is "0" pound/ kilogram.....0, 0........?????

They are still living a healthy and happily life today.
Can someone explain ?

P.S. I heard they can.....if they want ........
I don't know ..........

Next time, if I see them, I will ask.




[此贴子已经被作者于2002-10-7 16:48:30编辑过]

Wrong: Jing is not "Jing Shen", it is physiological "Jing"
错：“精”不是“精神”， 是物理的“精”。


If you are so confused about basicDaoist terminologies, it is difficult to talk any more.......just like you can not talk to someone about English if they don' t even know ABC..
如果你对道家的基础术语不熟悉，那我们很难再讨论了。就象如果你不认识ABC就无法说英语一样。

Daoist practices:
道家的做法：

Jing (not JIng Shen) turns into Qi......
练精化气，
(That was all we were talking about)
（这是我们要讨论的）
We haven't gotten into "Shen" yet........
我们还没有说到神........

Shen moves into Xu, Xu moves into Dao......
练神还虚，练虚合道.......

Ha..ha....Jing and Shen in Daoism are two different things.
You cannot simply combine them with your everyday language
and combine them as "Jing Shen"
哈.哈。。精和神在道教是两个不同的东西。
你不能简单的把他们合并成日常用语中的“精神”。

These are technical terms of Daoism, not daily language.
这是道教的修炼术语，不是日常用语。

We did not talk about "Jing Shen" at all. I was just saying, qigong is not a matter of just practicing "qi" only.......
我们不讨论“精神”，气功也不是只练气的。

Sorry, I don't know how to help you, if you don't even know the basic terminologies.
抱歉，我不知道怎么帮你，如果你不知道基础术语（知识）。

I have not seen people "fly"...........
But, I know people with no physical "weight"...........
When they stand on a scale (the instrument that measure weight -- any one, not a broken scale)........the indication of the weight is "0" pound/ kilogram.....0, 0........?????
我没有见过人“飞”.......
但我见过没有体重的人.....
当他（们）站在一个称（测量重量的工具，不是坏的）上时，显示重量为“0”磅（公斤）....0,0.....???

They are still living a healthy and happily life today.
Can someone explain ?
至今他们还活得健康、快乐。
谁能解释？

P.S. I heard they can.....if they want ........
I don't know ..........
另外，我听说他们能....如果他们想....
我不知道.....

Next time, if I see them, I will ask.
下次，我见到他们，我要问问。

多谢翻译。
我知道他说的精何指，是和我说的精神有别。但如果真做到精满，气满，神满。已经是三花聚顶之境界。
所以我不敢赞同他之说，精和气是初学者的等级。

Thank you !
It is not exactly a matter of "beginner" or "advance"........sorry !
I know most of the people start from the levels of "jing" and "qi".
However, there are people start from the levels of "Shen", "Xu", "Dao"...
(I need to keep my mouth shut here)
Where to start is very individual. It is meaningless to argue.
How can we compare ?

I just want to point out, Daoist practice has something beyond the levels of "Jing" and "Qi" , not as what people assumed (just Jing and Qi).
Teacher is always extremely important. He knows what level is the best for you.....


[此贴子已经被作者于2002-10-8 1:00:44编辑过]

Thank you !
It is not exactly a matter of "beginner" or "advance"........sorry !
I know most of the people start from the levels of "jing" and "qi".
However, there are people start from the levels of "Shen", "Xu", "Dao"...
(I need to keep my mouth shut here)
Where to start is very individual. It is meaningless to argue.
How can we compare ?
谢谢你！
同一个事物对于“初学者”和“高级水平者”来说含义是不同的，抱歉！
我知道多数人是从“精”和“气”的水平开始的。
然而，有些人是从神、虚、道的的水平开始的。（在此我能发表议论了）。
在什么水平上开始是个人的事情，在这里争论是没有意义的。
我们怎么比较？

I just want to point out, Daoist practice has something beyond the levels of "Jing" and "Qi" , not as what people assumed (just Jing and Qi).
Teacher is always extremely important. He knows what level is the best for you.....
我只想指出，道家有一些东西远远超出“精”和“气”，不象有些人说的只有精和气。师父是很重要的，他知道什么水平最适合你。

这两家跟本走的是两条路，不能随便比较，藏密的虹光身是从空性里生出来的，如果不懂大圆满见，修行简直开玩笑，也可以说是“无修之修”是以空性为因修出来的，甚至可以说，不是修出来的，是本有的。修法很简单，也可以说很难。跟禅宗很象。仙家是金鼎火符之道，从头到尾用一个反字，最后肉身气化。虽愚昧小人行之立即圣地，修的主要是先天一气。